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Inoue Orihime
« on: November 20, 2011, 07:11 PM »
Inoue Orihime. Oy, don’t get me started. I believe it’s safe to say she’s Bleach’s most controversial (i.e. wank-inducing) character. All over the Internet, she’s vilified and glorified to extremes. Moderators of forums are so fed up with the outcry to any talk about her that threads about her are short-lived, and some Orihime fans are so sensitive to any criticism of their princess that even forum comments stating outright facts like Inoue Orihime was designated the “beloved airhead type” at Jump Festa 2011 will be deleted due to complaints. By the same token, Orihime can’t appear in a single manga panel without her every syllable being over-analyzed as yet another symptom of her emotional wallowing and inability to succeed at any of the vows she’s made to herself.

A popular topic in Orihime controversies is whether or not Kubo himself is writing her badly or developing her too slowly. Does he exploit her for comedy or are audiences just not getting the cute that is Orihime? Are some feminist audiences just making too much of the groaner of the hot dog joke in the Mario mushroom pajamas? Does Kubo love Orihime too much or does he torture her, nerf her development, and shouldn’t the poor character have shot Tsukabi successfully again after seven years? Does Kubo intend for us to see a beauty whose very looks can knock an opponent to the ground and we must all love her, a girl so stuck in an obsession with a boy that she can’t develop her own offensive power because she has a need to be saved (“Save me!” she called out at the DOME--a place fraught with fandom’s wrath) or is it a little of all of the above?

No need to tread on tiptoe here but know you speak among Orihime fans. It’s not easy going being a fan of Inoue Orihime. My own fanblog is accused of being an “Orihime hate site” (read that on One Manga just this week of Nov 17) even though she’s my favorite female character. When I mentioned here and there that if people REALLY wanted to see Orihime bashing they need go no further than 4chan, the same Bleach fans who campaign on TVTropes and Fandom_Wank against IchiRuki and me and bleachness etc attempted to spread the lie that bleachness was behind all the Orihime hate on 4chan. As if.  ;D That place was misogynist long before my fanblog ever existed.  Trust me that you’re doing ok here if you can discuss Orihime’s character without posting animated gifs of her swallowing a veiny cock or referring to her as a whore…. speaking of which, I’ve read her a couple of her self-proclaimed fans say that she’d be a whore if she ever fell out of love with Ichigo. I chalk that up to immature posters and a certain naivete about how love works.

So, topic? Inoue Orihime’s character development. It’s like Chinese water torture for this fan, but I remain optimistic.

I’ll quote from my last post in her fanclub at another forum. Someone was complaining (in a comment that was eventually deleted) that Orihime is constantly failing at her vows to protect and heal, is always being rejected by Ichigo, and seems to be suffering a good bit. I honestly believe what I wrote here:

No one likes to see her suffer but that's what makes a story and a plot. Bleach is a coming-of-age story. All shounen are, and I for one am glad that Orihime gets a big chunk of character emphasis and attention and it's not just the main character in Bleach who gets all the angst and reasons to grow and develop.

Like all important characters in a fighting manga, Orihime needs to learn to understand herself and how to use her powers--unlike most standard healing characters, she also has an offensive part of her, Tsubaki, and in this arc she's already shown that she's learned to use him along with her shield. I hope to see her use him solo one day.

Romance-wise, yes, Orihime's story IS important and I do expect it to be resolved one way or another in Bleach. I believe that Kubo has shown us an important disparity between Orihime's vision of Ichigo in this arc and who Ichigo really is--he labeled it "Orihime vision" vs "Reality" and then when Tsukishima had Orihime under his spell, the irony was that Orihime's feelings for Ichigo were real and she felt them even through the fake Tsukishima implantations. Those disparities have to be dealt with--but Kubo's said he's got 10 years of Bleach left, and I'm in no hurry. Orihime can do lots of growing up in that time--all the Bleach kids can. I'll just sit back and enjoy the ride.


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Re: Inoue Orihime
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2011, 04:04 AM »
I hope it doesn't take another 10 years to actually get her to a good point, I think Kubo really needs to concentrate and make her development faster then he has been. Her development in this arc has really pissed me off a good bit, even tho I am excited for some things, but jeez I'm tired of "Oh she has something/did something/will do something...oh wait nevermind!" she has since the HM arc.

Tho I'm excited to what he will do with her when she wakes up, maybe finally we'll get internal monologue not concentrated on Ichigo but what she has been really doing these 17 months: Her training, HM/The dome/Ulquiorra/etcetcetc.

But after last chapter my hopes are high, I was really impressed how Kubo tied stuff up with the badge. So maybe his dragging with Orihime will speed up, since well, his pace is improving when he decides wants too. haha  :-* 

I just hope Kubo's moe campaign is done tho. I love her moeness but not in every damn chapter.

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Re: Inoue Orihime
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2011, 04:16 AM »
As a fan of her I always try to keep my head cool and not jump to conclusions atlhough I groan when I see what Lovely Masoka has explained well: Oh she has something/did something/will do something...oh wait nevermind!" my patience is not that great!

But I like Orihime, despite her failures, that was made her endearing to me. Her flaws and the fact that despite her mistakes she is bascially a good person, her intentions are good, she desires to be better, to do better despite the fail she keeps thinking about being better. I like that from her and that when she was at the dome and realized what her cries for help had cause she didn't say "is not my fault" she didn't run for her responsability and take it all and for that reason she trained and said to Ichigo what she want to do for him. Yeah she failed again but she gonna keep trying. Aside her love life who is central as a character (Orihime's love and her desire to be loved for the person she likes is great part of her character), while Ichigo character central theme is "protection". Everyone got a central theme that define themselves as characters. Orihime got love.

And you have reason Debbie, every word from her is overanalized, every movement, even her intentions and early interventions got analisis to a point its a bit scary. Kubo is subtle but there is a limit even for him xD

I still love her, I still hope to be happy and grow up and love and being loved back for someone who sees her for what she is: tatsuki, Ishida, Ulquiorra, heck even Chizuru! who despite her attends to grope her cares for her more than her dream boy xD

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Re: Inoue Orihime
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2011, 04:37 AM »
I just hope Kubo's moe campaign is done tho. I love her moeness but not in every damn chapter.

Eh, I don't know about the moe campaign.  ;D Sensei and Jump both seem to show off her classic moe-girl characteristics. I do expect a little angst when she wakes up from this long sleep post Tsukishima tampering but I don't mind--that will be organic to the story.  Please no other weep-fest--we just had one. I'd like a little quiet reflection and maybe some time to regroup among the nakama. I know the Ichigo/Orihime shippers want a talk between Ichigo and Orihime or Ichigo and Chad and Orihime but that doesn't really tend to happen in Bleach. If it didn't happen after the DOME, I don't expect that sort of thing now--these kids are the kind who resolve their issues on the battlefield, who forgive and forget easily and resolve to better people.

Orihime, of course, has been trying for A FREAKING LONG TIME to resolve some serious stuff and to live up to her vow to fight and protect--especially vis a vis Ichigo.  I die a little every year that goes by without her shooting Tsubaki in defense of a nakama or actually protecting Ichigo in a battle (her little display of a new tactic in a training situation w/Ginjou mollified me some--I was proud--but it felt more like a teaser from Sensei than the REAL THING).

I can wait. But it's damn frustrating.
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Re: Inoue Orihime
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2011, 05:11 AM »
Orihime the infamous XD Debbie said it very well

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I believe it’s safe to say she’s Bleach’s most controversial (i.e. wank-inducing) character. All over the Internet, she’s vilified and glorified to extremes.

This is way too true. I myself have mixed feelings about her character. I liked her character for the first arc of Bleach, during HM not so much, but in this arc, I think she's done great so far. Yes I know that she got knocked out, got used by the ennemy yet again and all that, yet I think she did great even under hypnosis.

Orihime has matured in many ways. She's still the silly cute teenager who has feelings for Ichigo but she has improved very much! She's trained to come up with new techniques, has toned down on the "Ichigo" obsession, and seem more "sure" of herself. I feel like I'm seeing a better and "improved" version of Orihime from SS, whose learned to stand for herself and is more confident in herself. I was happy that she made this promise to never let Ichigo get as hurt as he was in HM===> It shows that she knew what she did wrong and took resolutions from those errors.

I'm also happy that Orihime has been proactive as a character so far, defending her friends or even her fake "friend/brother". She doesn't hesitate anymore (like how she put her shield up against Ginjou) and she isn't waiting around for Ichigo to be the prince on the white horse (how she instinctely tried to cover for him when his eyes got slashed). Even for Tsukishima, believing he was her "friend" she didn't hesitate and pprotected and healed him. I don't know how to explain this, but there is just something about her that has screamed assurance, so far. She is TRYING, something that she wouldn't do in HM -_-

My only problem with her and Chad, a problem that I think will get addressed later, is how they still see Ichigo as some sort of "goal" for now. Of the 4 friends, Orihime and Chad were the only one who vowed to get stronger for Ichigo sides, while Ishida got stronger for himself. Yet when the time came, the two 2 life were focused on Ichigo became his "ennemy" and Ishida who isn't, is standing at Ichigo's side. I think Kubo might  be trying to make them start to think about themselves first. 

Them realizing what has happened after they wake up and comparing this to their desire to get stronger for him will lead to a great development. I know this might lead to great angst, especially for Orihime who loves Ichigo, but I think this will mark the start of something good for her character. Great angst, usually lead to more development. HM led to Orihime in this arc. Fulbring will lead to something great for her, me really think. Let's keep hope.


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Re: Inoue Orihime
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2011, 05:37 AM »
Orihime! <3
I love this girl!
I understand that she can gets on people's nerves with always failing to keep her vows and her self-centered love (she only focuses on Ichigo and forgets everything around her...) but isn't this what every woman who fell in love for the first time do? I mean come on! When you're in love, you can only think about that person, all day long, making film in your head, and everything is so pretty and right, you're so happy and feel like you can overcome anything. Well, 'Hime-chii is experiencing her FIRST love! She is already an airhead, so add those strong beautiful feelings, the girl would constantly be flying on cloud nine...

She is sweet, innocent, cute, pretty, funny, optimistic and I can keep on and on about how wonderful she is. Of course, as a true fan, I can also see her flaws, but who is perfect? I won't deny that she needs some character development, but to the point of hating her, it's just too much...
Hating someone, means that the person has done means and awful things? What has she done beside loving awkwardly someone?

I'm just waiting for the moment where she will show her true power and gather enough resolve and will to face her demons. She is the cutest thing in Bleach (after Rukia and Ichigo xD) and I hope she will turn to a beautiful strong willed woman.

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Re: Inoue Orihime
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2011, 09:00 AM »
Okay, I really like Orihime, don't get me wrong.  Her kindness, unwillingness to hurt others and love-ability reminds me a lot of myself actually.  HOWEVER...I think her character could be developed more.  I honestly believe that her feelings for Ichigo is actually hurting her more than helping her.  She needs to become strong in herself.  She went from fixating on her brother to fixating on Ichigo and this cannot be healthy!  She is an independent woman and she needs to become strong mentally for HERSELF..Not Ichigo...herself.  I believe the day that happens we will see an Orihime with such power, it will be extremely shocking.  I actually picture this girl (if she ever reaches this point) with God-like powers both offensive and defensive...making her on par with Ichigo and Ishida if not surpassing them!

I do find some of her moments rather cute but in small doses ::)  I kinda imagine her like Rukia I guess, when she grows up...strong, independent with high moral values.  I really hope Kubo does her character justice cause it seems to me she has a lot of potential and it would be a tragedy to waste it...

With regards to relationship, I have always said Ishida is much better suited to her personality.  Someone to taper her and keep her head level...Which brings another question...if this girl is soo beautiful that she can actually physically hurt ppl with her beauty..i mean, bleach is full of ppl praising it..WHY, for some odd reason it doesn't seem to affect Ichigo and Ishida?  I know they are really handsome themselves, but you never see them making mention of it...Except Ichigo actually, who notices, but just doesn't really care?  idk...

All in all, I love the girl, thinks she has great potential but needs to grow up and get over Ichigo..that love she has for him is hurting her more than helping her...

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Re: Inoue Orihime
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2011, 09:49 AM »

With regards to relationship, I have always said Ishida is much better suited to her personality.  Someone to taper her and keep her head level...Which brings another question...if this girl is soo beautiful that she can actually physically hurt ppl with her beauty..i mean, bleach is full of ppl praising it..WHY, for some odd reason it doesn't seem to affect Ichigo and Ishida?  I know they are really handsome themselves, but you never see them making mention of it...Except Ichigo actually, who notices, but just doesn't really care?  idk...


Well, Orihime's "Beauty Attack" only worked on ShiShi because according to him, he hadn't been around women much (still wondering why--seems a lot of the FBs have some untold details about their life stories). EVERYONE notices Orihime's beautiy except Orihime, really. Ichigo took note of it in this arc when he made that comment about maybe it wasn't him but Orihime who was being followed around the school (she was being followed by admirers when we first saw her). Ishida or Chad don't make direct references to it but they're gentlemen friends as is Ichigo. Tatsuki has mentioned her beauty a lot.

Orihime seemed to downplay her own beauty in her jealousy speech to Matsumoto when she went on about Rukia's good qualities including Rukia's beauty. I'm still not sure that Orihime isn't still struggling with very low self-esteem. She seems to have grown up and become more self-determined in many ways, trained hard and improved her attacks but she's still young and has a ways to go. That's only natural. If she remembers what happened while she was under Tsukishima's spell, I'm sure her self-esteem will take a big blow--so yeah, I'm worried but hey, shounen kids grow through SHOCK TREATMENTS so in a way, I'm looking forward to this.
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Re: Inoue Orihime
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2011, 10:08 AM »
Actually, you make a really good point...I am wondering now if Inoue does suffer from some self esteem issues...it would actually explain a lot.  I am really hoping Kubo uses this opportunity to grow her character.  She will obviously go through some kind of tribulation when she realizes what happened under Tsukishima's spell, but I am hoping, instead of a full breakdown..a la...dome scene..we get an epiphany of sorts for her.  Where she realizes that she needs to be strong for herself as well.  To protect her friends, not just fight along side Ichigo.  This is really exciting!  I too cannot wait for this arc to be over to see what are the outcomes of the nakama...I believe Kubo is doing this to change up the dynamic a bit between friends.  If he wanted to grow his characters, he couldn't have picked a better time than this arc.

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Re: Inoue Orihime
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2011, 10:15 AM »
Yey! A possibility to discuss Orihime properly!

I'd actually say that Orihime is one of the better characters in bleach, because of her flaws. She has problems with her self-esteem, her dependance and idolizing of Ichigo and the fact that she has godlike powers. It gives her a certain vunerability. However, every character needs to grow, and that counts for Orihime too. She grew alot during the Arrancar arc and the HM arc. Kubo showed us her inner pain and jealousy in the scene with Matsumoto. He showed us her naiviete and dreams in the goodbye-panel with Ichigo. And he showed us just how mentally strong she can be, when she slapped Ulquiorra and later told him that the heart made her fearless. And then we have the dome. A resolution in some ways. I want to see more of this!
However, the fullbringer arc has in many ways left her character stagnant, together with poor Chad. But then again, this arc was mainly about Ichigo and Ichigo's problems. I'm pretty sure we will see more of her later.
About her relation to Ichigo; Kubo needs to solve this in some way. He NEEDS to. Both for the love triangles spinning around in Bleach, and for Orihime's sake. She needs to be strong for her own sake. Yes, love is ultimately connected to her character; but she needs to think about herself. I'd love to see badass Orihime!

(And someone should make a topic for Ishihime and Ulquihime^^Even though this is a Ichiruki-forum)
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